Anecdotes and Jokes · ATU 1804E

The Confession in Advance story type (ATU 1804E)

The Confession in Advance story type (ATU 1804E) features a trickster who pays double penance for a minor misdeed up front, pre-funding their next crime—often taking the confessor's own horse.

Tale family
Anecdotes and Jokes
Classification
Jokes About Clergymen And Religious Figures
cultures attest it
7
defining motifs
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The Confession in Advance story type (ATU 1804E) centers on a clever trickster who exploits religious or institutional fine structures by paying double penance up front to clear a second, uncommitted crime for free.

The pattern

A rogue or penitent is assessed a small fine or penance by an authority figure for a minor misdeed. Recognizing that the confessor or magistrate views penance as a simple monetary transaction, the protagonist hands over double the required payment on the spot. When the authority figure asks why they are overpaying, the protagonist reveals that the second payment covers an upcoming crime—which they immediately commit by taking the authority figure's own property, such as their horse. The story relies on turning moral discipline into a strict, literal legalistic loophole where advance payment neutralizes the offense.

How cultures tell it

Cataloged in international folklore indexes within the division of jokes about clergymen and religious figures (spanning types 1725 to 1849), this tale is documented across 7 distinct cultural traditions. While trickster tales like The Woman Does Not Know Herself story type (ATU 1383) or The Farmwife at the Market story type (ATU 1382) rely on identity confusion or mistaken perceptions, ATU 1804E depends on hyper-literal transaction logic. Across its regional variations, the core plot pits a rigid official who measures morality in fees against a rogue who uses that very math to outsmart them.

Motifs that define it

Folklore scholarship indexes the central mechanism of this story under motif J1635, which describes a robber giving a priest double his penance fee before taking the priest's horse. Motif indexers place this in the category of cleverness and foolishness, highlighting how tricksters turn institutional rules into personal gain. Unlike stories featuring purely naive characters, such as The Husband Hunts Three Persons as Stupid as his Wife story type (ATU 1384), the hero of ATU 1804E demonstrates sharp, strategic calculation, using the authority's own accounting framework against them.

Reading it with kids

When sharing this tale type with young readers, focus on the playful logic puzzle at its heart: does paying for something in advance mean you have permission to break a rule? Older traditional versions featured adult themes of highway robbery, stolen livestock, and anti-clerical humor. For children, you can easily shift the setting to a playground, a board game, or a classroom chore system. Exploring the trickster's clever loophole invites kids to think critically about fairness, rules, and the true purpose of making amends versus simply paying a fee.

Signature motifs

The recurring story elements catalogued for this type in the Thompson Motif-Index.

  • J1635. Robber gives priest double his penance and then takes his horse.

How the pattern varies

  • A traveler pays a double toll at a bridge, then carries off the tollkeeper's lantern for his journey.
  • A rogue pays double penance to a confessor and immediately rides away on the confessor's horse.
  • A market vendor charges a customer a fine for taking a fruit, so the customer pays double and takes the whole basket.
  • A trickster pays double the fine for staying past bedtime in a fantasy kingdom to gain access to the royal library overnight.

A note for grown-ups

  • Highlight the difference between genuine accountability and transactional compliance during discussions with kids.
  • Frame the trickster's logic as a funny mind-puzzle: ask children where the flaw in paying for a rule-break in advance really lies.
  • Adapt historical elements (like horse theft or medieval fines) into everyday kid-relatable scenarios like game tokens or house chores.

Retellings to try

  • A clever space-pilot who pays double docking fees at an alien spaceport so she can borrow the stationmaster's scout ship.
  • A crafty woodland badger who gives the forest owl two shiny acorns instead of one, then skips ahead in the line for the berry harvest.
  • A young inventor in a clockwork city who pays double library fines in advance to keep a rare book of blueprints forever.

FAQs

What is the ATU number for Confession in Advance?
The ATU catalog number for Confession in Advance is 1804E, grouped under jokes about clergymen and religious figures (types 1725–1849).
Which motif defines the trick in ATU 1804E?
The story is defined by motif J1635, where a robber pays double penance to a priest and subsequently takes the priest's horse.
How many culture traditions record this story type?
Standard folklore cataloging documents ATU 1804E across 7 distinct cultural traditions.

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About this classification

Tale-type data from the Aarne–Thompson–Uther index; motif labels from the Thompson Motif-Index. Source release 2026-06-12.